Superstition on this subject dictates that Christ pre-existed before his birth, the Bible, however, informs us quite concisely of his lineage, as a promised son prophesied of throughout the old testament. This false doctrine is strongly linked to that of the trinity, despite numerous verses opposing this view, for example, the fact that Jesus constantly prayed to his father eg. Matt. 26:39 this confusing belief is still strongly held.

Many verses that are used to back up this false belief go contrary to nature itself, and often use verses taken out of context, Wrested Scriptures is again in invaluable resource to look at specific verses, especially worth a read as believers in the existence of Christ will quote verses in a way that you may not have considered if you have not been exposed to this way of thinking, often quite contrary to what the text actually says.

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My Catholic friend explained it like this:

“We don’t believe in 3 gods.
It’s like I am one person, but I am someone’s daughter, someone’s sister, wife, mother, grandmother, employee, friend.
So God is like that. One person but a different person in different relationships.“

This was at a restaurant, with spouses, so not a lot of time to get into discussion, and her tone of voice indicated no interest in further discussion!

Hi, Some of the words in Matt. 28:19 were added by Constantine to try and settle the dispute between the Trinitarians and the Arians.

Hi Brothers,

I
disagree with the comment below as neither brethren Robert Roberts nor John Carter realized that this formula was introduced by trinitarians or those trying to resolve the huge debate between arians and trinitarians, namely Emperor Constantine, a pagan,

who initiated the change at the council of Nicea.

Some evidence for this corruption is below.

[I seem to recall that there was a bit of a dispute between James Carter and John Carter at the time.}

‘There is also the possibility that the words “in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” were a later addition. This is supported by the fact that they were never included in quotations of Matthew 28:19 by the “early fathers”. For example, Eusebius, who died about the year 340, quotes the verse at least 18 times, but always in the form “Go ye into and make disciples of all the nations in my name, teaching them to observe all things, whatsoever I commanded you”.’, The Trinity True or False, Broughton and Southgate , p66

http://www.christianmonotheism.com/media/text/Broughton%20and%20Southgate%20–%20Trinity_true_or_false.pdf


A Collection of the evidence for and against the traditional wording of the baptismal phrase in Matthew 28:19

A few relevant quotes from the above title—
According to F.C. Conybeare, “Eusebius cites this text again and again in his works written between 300 and 336, namely in his long commentaries on the Psalms, on Isaiah, his Demonstratio Evangelica, his Theophany …in his famous history of the Church, and in his panegyric of the emperor Constantine. I have, after a moderate search in these works of Eusebius, found eighteen citations of Matthew xxviii. 19, and always in the following form: ”
“Go ye and make disciples of all the nations in my name, teaching them to observe all things, whatsoever I commanded you.”
F. WHITELEY in THE TESTIMONY
“There is the ‘triune’ baptismal formula, which may prove a very broken reed when thoroughly investigated, but … we may leave it for separate treatment. The thoughtful may well ponder, meantime, why one cannot find one single instance in Acts or the Epistles of the words ever being used at any of the many baptisms recorded, notwithstanding Christ’s (seemingly) explicit command at the end of Matthew’s Gospel” [The Testimony (Oct. 1959) p. 351. Art. Back to Babylon (4).

F. WHITELEY in THE TESTIMONY
“Clerical conscience much troubled (see Comp. Bible App. 185) that apostles and epistles never once employ ‘the Triune Name’ of Matthew 28:19. Even Trinitarians, knowing Trinity idea was being resisted by Church in 4th century, admit (e.g. Peake) ‘the command to baptize with the threefold name is a late doctrinal expansion,’ but prior to oldest yet known Ms. (4th Century). (Its sole counterpart, 1 John 5:7 is a proved interpolation). Eusebius (A.D. 264-340) denounces the Triune form as spurious, Matthew’s actual writing having been ‘in my name’.” [Footnotes to Art: Baptism (5) in The Testimony, Aug., 1958].

E.K. in the FRATERNAL VISITOR
“The striking contrast and the illogical internal coherence of the passage… lead to a presumption of an intentional corruption in the interest of the Trinity. In ancient Christian times a tendency of certain parties to corrupt the text of the New Testament was certainly often imputed. This increases our doubt almost to a decisive certainty concerning the genuineness of the passage.”
Art. The Question of the Trinity and Matthew 28:19. 1924, pp. 147-151, trans from the Christadelphian Monatshefte.
http://jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/catholic/matthew2819.html
‘We now have absolute proof the Catholic Church fathers perverted the text in Matthew 28:19. We now have the Hebrew Matthew Gospel, a manuscript that was preserved by the Jews from the first century. In this Shem Tov MSS, the text at Matthew 28:19 does not contain the trinitarian statement. Of course the Catholic Church and other trinitarian denominations who have defended the triune baptismal text, claim the Hebrew Matthew is false and a fraud.’ …
http://jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/catholic/mat2819.html

Please note that in verse 19 there is no trinitarian formula.
This is ABSOLUTE proof the trinity was fraudulently added to this text
Shem Tov’s Hebrew Matthew Gospel
Matthew 28:9-20

http://jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/catholic/matthew-proof.html

For over a thousand years this evidence was hidden from the world.
Can I suggest that the Lampstand shed the light in a future magazine?
[Obviously not everything said on these web sites is true, like the conclusion of the need for re-baptism]

Yours by grace,

Aleck
[email protected]

Saturday, 2 May 2020

Hi, Some of the words in Matt. 28:19 were added by Constantine to try and settle the dispute between the Trinitarians and the Arians.

Hi Brothers,

I
disagree with the comment below as neither brethren Robert Roberts nor John Carter realized that this formula was introduced by trinitarians or those trying to resolve the huge debate between arians and trinitarians, namely Emperor Constantine, a pagan,

who initiated the change at the council of Nicea.

Some evidence for this corruption is below.

[I seem to recall that there was a bit of a dispute between James Carter and John Carter at the time.}

‘There is also the possibility that the words “in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” were a later addition. This is supported by the fact that they were never included in quotations of Matthew 28:19 by the “early fathers”. For example, Eusebius, who died about the year 340, quotes the verse at least 18 times, but always in the form “Go ye into and make disciples of all the nations in my name, teaching them to observe all things, whatsoever I commanded you”.’, The Trinity True or False, Broughton and Southgate , p66

http://www.christianmonotheism.com/media/text/Broughton%20and%20Southgate%20–%20Trinity_true_or_false.pdf


A Collection of the evidence for and against the traditional wording of the baptismal phrase in Matthew 28:19

A few relevant quotes from the above title—
According to F.C. Conybeare, “Eusebius cites this text again and again in his works written between 300 and 336, namely in his long commentaries on the Psalms, on Isaiah, his Demonstratio Evangelica, his Theophany …in his famous history of the Church, and in his panegyric of the emperor Constantine. I have, after a moderate search in these works of Eusebius, found eighteen citations of Matthew xxviii. 19, and always in the following form: ”
“Go ye and make disciples of all the nations in my name, teaching them to observe all things, whatsoever I commanded you.”
F. WHITELEY in THE TESTIMONY
“There is the ‘triune’ baptismal formula, which may prove a very broken reed when thoroughly investigated, but … we may leave it for separate treatment. The thoughtful may well ponder, meantime, why one cannot find one single instance in Acts or the Epistles of the words ever being used at any of the many baptisms recorded, notwithstanding Christ’s (seemingly) explicit command at the end of Matthew’s Gospel” [The Testimony (Oct. 1959) p. 351. Art. Back to Babylon (4).

F. WHITELEY in THE TESTIMONY
“Clerical conscience much troubled (see Comp. Bible App. 185) that apostles and epistles never once employ ‘the Triune Name’ of Matthew 28:19. Even Trinitarians, knowing Trinity idea was being resisted by Church in 4th century, admit (e.g. Peake) ‘the command to baptize with the threefold name is a late doctrinal expansion,’ but prior to oldest yet known Ms. (4th Century). (Its sole counterpart, 1 John 5:7 is a proved interpolation). Eusebius (A.D. 264-340) denounces the Triune form as spurious, Matthew’s actual writing having been ‘in my name’.” [Footnotes to Art: Baptism (5) in The Testimony, Aug., 1958].

E.K. in the FRATERNAL VISITOR
“The striking contrast and the illogical internal coherence of the passage… lead to a presumption of an intentional corruption in the interest of the Trinity. In ancient Christian times a tendency of certain parties to corrupt the text of the New Testament was certainly often imputed. This increases our doubt almost to a decisive certainty concerning the genuineness of the passage.”
Art. The Question of the Trinity and Matthew 28:19. 1924, pp. 147-151, trans from the Christadelphian Monatshefte.
http://jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/catholic/matthew2819.html
‘We now have absolute proof the Catholic Church fathers perverted the text in Matthew 28:19. We now have the Hebrew Matthew Gospel, a manuscript that was preserved by the Jews from the first century. In this Shem Tov MSS, the text at Matthew 28:19 does not contain the trinitarian statement. Of course the Catholic Church and other trinitarian denominations who have defended the triune baptismal text, claim the Hebrew Matthew is false and a fraud.’ …
http://jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/catholic/mat2819.html

Please note that in verse 19 there is no trinitarian formula.
This is ABSOLUTE proof the trinity was fraudulently added to this text
Shem Tov’s Hebrew Matthew Gospel
Matthew 28:9-20

http://jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/catholic/matthew-proof.html

For over a thousand years this evidence was hidden from the world.

Yours by grace,

Aleck
[email protected]

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